No. ITT: people who dislike functional deterioration (because that's what has happened GÇö the new icons pictures are functionally inferior to the old (actual) icons).

GǪand I don't see the need to create new new ones, when there already exists a full set of icons that match the prevalent UI design. Just go back to using those (and send the person who decided to ditch the icons for pictures as UI elements to a basic class in HMI design).

GǪno, you're not following me correctly. The new pictures are not icons GÇö they're pictures. They do not serve the same function.

Icons are meant to quickly, clearly, and cleanly represent a concept or action, and do so in a way that distinguishes the icon from the rest of the UI and from other icons, even ones that are closely related. The simple the icon can be and still communicate its use and be easily distinguished from the background noise and competing symbols, the better it is.

The old icons did all of that, because they were icons. The new pictures do almost none of it (unsurprisingly since they're not really icons).

So yes, the new pictures are functionally much worse than the old icons at the job of being icons.

Is that icons should be icons, not pictures.

The new pictures do not serve the purpose they're meant to serve GÇö the old icons did. It's that simple.

I must borrow this lovely image by Tippia

[img]http://eve.beyondreality.se/incarna/TurretComp.png[/img]

Now... what was the statement about low quality there ?

btw there was thread about this in old assembly hall, but don't really want to start new one... It already made clear that many people seemed to be rather unanimous on the topic.

It just would be nice to know is this topic burried for good or are there any plans to do _something_.

So I take it you argue with you optometrist, or every other professional you come across. This is UI design 101. A picture makes a horrible icon for the simple reason that they're not simple. There's too much noise; too much detail; too much useless pixels; too much information loss at different sizes and scales.

If you want to use a picture as a basis for an icon, that's fine, but you will have to refine it something immensely and simplify and refine the defining characteristics to the bare minimums. Otherwise, it fails as an icon.
Except, of course, that this is not what I'm saying GÇö that's what you're saying.

What I'm saying is that pictures are not icons because they fail to do all the things an icon needs to do.
GǪexcept, of course, that what they look on your ship is entirely irrelevant for what the icon is there to do. Why are you so confused by having an icon that means GǣLarge Long-range Laser TurretGǥ? Why are you so confused by having an icon that stands out against its background? Why are you so confused by clarity?

So no, the new ones are not of a higher quality GÇö they are of a higher detail level, which actually means they're lower-quality icons.

Well obviously your and my standards of high quality are different, so we clearly disagree here. That happens a lot to me, but I'll live... :)

Btw... you gotta at least admit that the new icons are way off from line compared to all the other old icons.

GǪor, to use that old chestnut, let's take the example of the Fire Exit sign.

How do you design one? Well, you don't plaster a picture of Phan Thi Kim Phuc on the door and hope people see the connection. It may contain the right elements (fire, running away, painGǪ) but its meaning is thoroughly unclear in the heat of a fire.

Instead, you have a highly stylized fire, a highly stylized running man, and an arrow pointing in the right direction. Hell, you could arguably even skip the running man. This conveys in a few very easily recognizable shapes the meaning "Fire? Run! Over there GåÆ"

Replacing these icons with pictures of the same things (if at all possible, which is debatable in some cases) does not improve the sign GÇö quite the opposite, because it just adds unnecessary (and even harmful) extra information to process.

...not good icons. Well, that's progress at leastGǪ

So?

So you agree then. Good.

CCP, give us back the oldactual turret icons.

I start to get the feeling that Xander photoshopped these images for us from the actual models and now he doesn't want them to get trashed. Clear CCP alt spotted. Tinhat on. There is no spoon.

Excellent. Then we can petition CCP to add a functionality where everything that appears in your (personal or corp) hangar and wallet is immediately transferred to me instead.

Because change is good.